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Post by THE GOB-FATHER on Jul 20, 2005 21:17:37 GMT -5
Hey guys... you'll have to forgive me here as I'm a bit stupid when it comes to reloading. I know that you can reload shotgun shells with bird shot but does that hold true with slugs as well and if so how does the performance differ from that of a factory load? Any real difference in accuracy?
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Post by Win Mag on Jul 20, 2005 21:25:14 GMT -5
Gob-Father I know of no one that has ever reloaded a slug.Maybe it can be done.They don't sell the slugs for reloading them.
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Post by THE GOB-FATHER on Jul 20, 2005 21:38:56 GMT -5
See... told ya I was stupid
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Post by calsibley on Jul 27, 2005 17:56:29 GMT -5
Shotshell reloading is something I've never adressed properly. I have an old MEC600 for 12ga., a Lyman Load All for 20ga., and a little Mequon handloader for .410s. I'm a bug about having only the best for my rifle reloading, but somehow shotshell reloading always got the short straw with me. Someday I hope to correct that situation. Best wishes.
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Post by vangunsmith on Aug 17, 2005 16:13:14 GMT -5
Well fellas,hello!! I have been rloading shotgun shells since 1956 and have still a Mec Model 250 when they had stamped serial numbers on the press. slugs are sold for those whom wish to reload them.I have found that a lot of money can be saved on shells by reloading,and reloads if one studies some.can find loads that are a lot more effective in every way from factory shells. For those whom wish to reload,and or do reload them here is a website of a outfit thats dedicated to shotshells only. Everything one could need they have,and plenty of books as well. the web is www.ballisticproducts.com Hope i helped some of you out there. vangunsmith
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Post by THE GOB-FATHER on Aug 21, 2005 14:23:08 GMT -5
Hey that's an awesome site! I'm thinking more and more of doing the whole reloading thing when it comes to my shotgunning. I'd love to pack my own shells for turkey huntin!
Now here's a question for ya... what are the pro's and con's of reloading shotgun vs. rifle. In other words, I've heard that reloading for rifle gives you better consistency and accuracy but does that hold true with the ballistics side of things when reloading slugs for shotgun? Also, do the main manufacturers like Hornady, Federal etc. sell the slugs individually as well? And finally what would the ballpark cost of starting up be, as far as just the basic slug, birdshot setup goes? Thanks in advance!
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Post by Mobe on Sept 27, 2005 11:01:34 GMT -5
Reloading slugs in shotguns works well. I took a deer last year with a handloaded slug round. The Lyman 4th ed. has load data for 3" Lyman 525 grain slugs. The Reloading for shotgunners 5th ed. has 9 pages of data for various slugs and shell lengths. The round I used was a Lyman 525 grain in a 3" shell. It was more accurate than the commercial ones and much cheaper. The slugs can be had on ebay or you can get a mold and dipper and cast your own.
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Post by Scott Kirsch on Dec 25, 2005 10:34:20 GMT -5
I have found that a lot of money can be saved on shells by reloading,and reloads if one studies some. -vangunsmith VangComp (only bastardization of "vangunsmith" I could think of )- I have to wonder if one really saves money re-loading slugs for shotguns. The cost of powder, sabots, bullets/slugs, shotgun-specific loading press, manuals, and accessories outweighs buying Partition Golds off the shelf for Sloppy. I don't know that anyone who "drops 20, 50, or 100" slugs in one season to come anywhere near the cost of the required reloading components needed. I agree that in most scenarios reloading is definitely cost saving but it really depends on "how much brass you put on the ground" (in this case, "how many hulls you put on the ground"). Can you list some economical set-ups where a " shoots 20 slugs a year" hunter can come closer to recouperating costs for the reloader, components, and accessories? Thanks bud. - Sloppy
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Post by Win Mag on Dec 25, 2005 20:51:43 GMT -5
I agree sloppy you would have to run a lot of slugs through your gun to make it worth it.I personally don't know anybody that shoots that many slugs other then just before deer gun season opener.Better to buy and stock up on your slugs through out the off season for deer season.
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Post by Randy Wakeman on Dec 25, 2005 21:56:38 GMT -5
I reload 20 ga. and 12 ga. through a pair of MEC 9000G's. I've never bothered with slug reloading. The main issue, at least today for rifled barrels, is that you just cannot get the very hard phenolic reinforced proprietary sabots as a loose reloading component. Plus, an inline muzzleloader of today is a far superior hunting tool-- you have to reload those. :0) .
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Post by Scott Kirsch on Dec 25, 2005 22:14:01 GMT -5
I reload 20 ga. and 12 ga. through a pair of MEC 9000G's. Randy!....you stud! I've never bothered with slug reloading. The main issue, at least today for rifled barrels, is that you just cannot get the very hard phenolic reinforced proprietary sabots as a loose reloading component. WOW!!!!!!! You said "....phenolic sabots...." For those not in the know, "phenolic" is referring to the plastic (polymer) used to make the "plastic bannana peel" sabots for muzzleloading bullets. And Randy, with fear of giving a great idea aay that i cannot afford to finance, a "better" (i.e. harder) plastic to mold for sabots would be a class of polymers called "citrate esters." The plastic toy industry and plastic dinnerware industry are moving this direction and slowly dumping current "pthalate" plastic formulations due to concerns about the material's chemical safety (leachates from the polymer lattice). Crazy FYI. forgive me. - The Sloppy Chemist
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Post by Randy Wakeman on Dec 25, 2005 23:46:16 GMT -5
[quote author=sloppysnood board=reloading [thread=1121912257 post=1135566841]WOW!!!!!!! You said "....phenolic sabots...." For those not in the know, "phenolic" is referring to the plastic (polymer) used to make the "plastic bannana peel" sabots for muzzleloading bullets. And Randy, with fear of giving a great idea aay that i cannot afford to finance, a "better" (i.e. harder) plastic to mold for sabots would be a class of polymers called "citrate esters." The plastic toy industry and plastic dinnerware industry are moving this direction and slowly dumping current "pthalate" plastic formulations due to concerns about the material's chemical safety (leachates from the polymer lattice). Crazy FYI. forgive me. - The Sloppy Chemist [/quote] Todays muzzleloading sabots are polyethylene blends, and are quite limited to tolerable durometer as they need to be soft enough to load from the muzzle. No such restriction exists with breechloading saboted rounds, as they are swaged into the rifling just like gilding metal jacket material. Oversized, hard, and tough is good. Olin patented their reinforced sabots they load their Platinum Tips and Partition Gold rounds in. Not only are the sabots proprietary, but so are the powders-- no book loads are available that are anywhere close. Methacrylate Ester based polymer is something we've all used, but it it isn't commonly referred to that. That's the family of plastics that comprise Loctite threadlockers. Phenolic today is a general term used by companies that don't care to reveal their super-secret sauce. Bakelite is the most common "phenolic" most have heard of. If you ask any company that uses proprietary phenolic material what it really is, the common answer is that it is "synthetic polymer." That tells you both everything and absolutely nothing at the same time-- which is of course the general idea.
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Post by Scott Kirsch on Dec 26, 2005 21:03:30 GMT -5
I agree sloppy you would have to run a lot of slugs through your gun to make it worth it.I personally don't know anybody that shoots that many slugs other then just before deer gun season opener.Better to buy and stock up on your slugs through out the off season for deer season. Winnie the Pooh Mag - Biggie likes those big bores! Maybe he can be the resident Racks & Spurs club shotgun slug reloading expert! I'l lload 'em up if Biggie will shoot 25 per day. Heee..hee.... -Sloppy
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Post by Win Mag on Dec 26, 2005 21:09:15 GMT -5
Take the mans camera away from him first Sloopy, so he can't post the xxx pic's of himself again hehehe
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Post by Win Mag on Dec 26, 2005 21:14:35 GMT -5
Randy i was going to state and even started to type and deleted that part of my post. But i would rather use my ML over the slug gun myself any more.I get better accurcy and distance if needed from the ML.
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