tameing a 300 win mag

[huntmaster12]

going bear hunting next fall for sure, and im going to buy a 300 win mag to hunt with, im interested to find out how to tame it down so i can shoot it pretty good.. going to put a good recoil pad on it and use managed recoil ammo in it..just curious as to how much a really good muzzle break will help to tame the recoil..if anyone has any helpful information on this..please holler back at me

[Kt29]

Nov 24, 2011 22:29:37 GMT -5 huntmaster12 said:

going bear hunting next fall for sure, and im going to buy a 300 win mag to hunt with, im interested to find out how to tame it down so i can shoot it pretty good.. going to put a good recoil pad on it and use managed recoil ammo in it..just curious as to how much a really good muzzle break will help to tame the recoil..if anyone has any helpful information on this..please holler back at me

Instead of toning it down, I'd just buy a 300WSM. Nearly the same performance as the Mag , and in my opinion, a fairly pleasant rifle to shoot. Just a suggestion, for what its worth.

[Ghost]

The break will cut a lot of recoil off of the gun. They do have their draw backs though. They make the gun VERY LOUD. When shooting at a range, as some folks do, the break is very unpleasant to be around i.e. for the shooter next to you.

[Ghost]

The 300 win Mag is not as bad as you would think. Why do you want to calm it down? I would not use the managed recoil load if you are going to break it. Using the MR loads will effect your energy and will not do as much in the way of taming recoil as the break will. Use the bigger loads and break it.

[grizz1]

Have to totally agree with Ghost . I would not consider a managed recoil load. I would think it would defeat the purpose of the larger, more powerful cartridge in the first place.
A close hunting friend of mine who is also a thousand yard shooter uses the muzzle breaks to tame recoil on all his rifles, it seems to do a great job. His Rem 7mm mags, 25-06 and short mags are as pleasant to shoot as a light load 20 gauge shotgun. His range guns use weight along with the break to tame recoil.
Hearing protection MUST be worn at all times, even when taking the shot while hunting. Serious damage to hearing will occur to the guy sitting beside the shooter on the first shot.
I'm assuming the need to manage the recoil is due to a shoulder problem or surgery, good luck there.

[Ghost]

Going to the MR loads defeats the purpose of this caliber. The 300 WM is designed to carry 1,000 - 1500 yards and maintain its effective terminal velocity. If recoil is an issue due to physical disabilities, like in my case, drop out of the magnum calibers. There are several calibers that will fit what you are looking for without having to run MR loads. A few that come to mind are the 260 Rem, 308 Win and under 600 yards both of these calibers will handle the game you are after. But I do recommend the 300 Win Mag for a lot of reason.
1. Extreme distances +1500
2. Maintains terminal velocity
3. Accuracy with the right components

There are several ways to drop the recoil. The first and foremost would be a break. I highly recommend a break, if you can afford it, on any gun. Why? It drops the recoil greatly, in the case of the 300 WM it would be comparable to a 243 or a 25-06. The break will improve accuracy, sometimes gaining .3 - .5 " MOA @ 100yrds. It is even possible to drop recoil so much that it is possible to see the vapor trail of the round down range through the rifles optics. The second thing to consider is the overall weight of the rifle. By adding weight to the rifle you will drop the felt recoil of the gun. Third, adding a Bi-Pod will help absorb felt recoil.

If I had to bet, by running a fully charged round with a quality break, weight around 10 - 12 lbs, Bi - Pod, I would say the felt recoil should be under 6 lbs. I would not be surprised to see it fall closer to 4.5 lbs of felt recoil.

If you are going to pump several rounds through this gun, for example target shooting, definitely get the break, add weight to the gun, and get a bi - pod. Shooting at game you are not going to notice the recoil, with or with out a break.

Be careful not to develop a flinch. It is easy to do with bigger calibers. One way to correct the flinch is to use what I call the "Money Method". How you do this is to have the gun rested either with a bi - pod, or sand bag. Purchase a quality Snap Cap. Now, with the gun on a sand bag or resting on the bi - pod, and you behind the gun, have a friend place a "Dime" on the end of the barrel. With the snap cap loaded, squeeze the trigger. With good fundamentals, the dime will never move. The objective to this method is two part. One, it helps the shooter develop good trigger control. Second, it reveals the "Flinch".

Next training method you can use is to Dope the gun. By this I mean, have a buddy load live rounds into the gun. But, have your buddy place the "Snap Cap" some where in the round count. The shooter must not know where the dummy round is placed in the round count. The objective is to reveal shooter error i.e. "The Flinch" and "Trigger Control".

A round that I would look at is the .300 RUM. The ballistics (energy and trajectory) exceed the .300 Wthrby. Breaking this gun, I would choose it over the .300 Win Mag. This round is smokin' down range. As far as recoil is concerned, it is comparable to what the .300 WM would be when equipped with a quality muzzle break. The .300 RUM will smoke the Win Mag.

[Ghost]

The 300 RUM:


Man. Wt. Type
(R) 150 Swift
(F) 165 PP
(F) 180 TBBC
(R) 180 SP
(R) 180 Swift
(F) 200 SP

Velocity:

Muzz 100 yd 200 yd 300 yd 400 yd 500 yd
3450 3208 2980 2762 2556 2358
3350 3110 2890 2670 2470 2270
3250 3000 2770 2550 2340 2130
3230 2988 2742 2508 2287 2076
3250 3048 2856 2672 2495 2325
3070 2870 2670 2490 2310 2140

Energy:

Muzz 100 yd 200 yd 300 yd 400 yd 500 yd
3964 3427 2956 2541 2175 1852
4110 3550 3050 2615 2230 1890
4220 3605 3065 2509 2180 1820
4171 3535 2983 2503 2086 1725
4221 3714 3260 2853 2487 2160
4175 3645 3175 2750 2375 2040

Trajectory

100 yd 300 yd 400 yd 500 yd
+0.9 -4.9 -14.3 -29.0
+1.0 -5.2 -15.3 -31.2
+1.2 -5.7 -16.8 -34.4
+1.2 -5.9 -17.4 -35.5
+1.1 -5.4 -15.8 -31.5
+1.4 -6.2 -10.1 -36.5

The 300 Win Mag:Bullet

Velocity Energy Trajectory

Man. Wt. Type
(F) 150 SP
(S) 150 SP
(W) 150 FS
(P) 150 SP
(F) 150 TBBC
(P) 150 BTSP
(P) 150 X
(Hi) 150 NOS
(H) 150 BTSP
(H) 150 SST
(RWS) 165 SP
(W) 165 FS
(N) 165 Swift
(H) 165 BTSP
(H) 165 SST
(F) 165 SP
(Hi) 165 ABC
(F) 165 PP
(SB) 168 HP
(RWS) 170 SP
(S) 180 HP
(N) 180 HP
(P) 180 SP
(S) 180 SP
(S) 180 SP
(W) 180 SP
(W) 180 FS
(W) 180 SP
(Hi) 180 SP
(F) 180 X
(P) 180 X
(H) 180 SP-HM
(A2) 180 MON
(BH) 180 HP
(BH) 180 X
(F) 180 TB-HE
(S) 180 SP
(N) 180 A
(L) 185 PP
(L) 185 SP
(R) 190 Match
(R) 190 BTSP
(BH) 190 HPM
(F) 200 NOS-HE
(F) 200 BTSP
(R) 200 A
(L) 200 PP
(F) 200 TBBC
(N) 200 SP

VELOCITY:

Muzz 100 yd 200 yd 300 yd 400 yd 500 yd
3280 2980 2700 2430 2190 1950
3290 2951 2636 2342 2068 1813
3260 2943 2647 2370 2110 1867
3150 2902 2665 2438 2222 2017
3280 2980 2700 2430 2190 1950
3250 2987 2739 2504 2281 2070
3135 2918 2712 2515 2327 2146
3199 2958 2730 2514 2307 2110
3275 2988 2718 2464 2224 1998
3275 3027 2791 2565 2352 2149
3180 2933 2700 2476 2267 2066
3120 2807 2515 2242 1985 1748
3117 2921 2734 2554 2382 2217
3100 2877 2665 2462 2269 2084
3100 2883 2676 2478 2289 2108
3050 2820 2600 2380 2180 1990
2986 2650 2338 2048 1780 1539
3050 2850 2650 2470 2290 2120
3064 2825 2602 2398 2196 2005
3004 2754 2435 2176 1934 1709
2950 2764 2586 2415 2250 2092
3018 2755 2506 2271 2048 1839
2853 2643 2446 2258 2077 1906
3018 2780 2555 2341 2135 1942
2960 2745 2540 2344 2157 1979
3070 2859 2657 2464 2280 2103
2960 2732 2514 2307 2110 1923
3070 2846 2633 2430 2236 2051
2986 2791 2605 2426 2254 2089
2960 2760 2570 2380 2210 2040
2910 2738 2572 2412 2258 2109
3100 2879 2668 2467 2275 2092
3120 2756 2420 2108 1820 1561
3100 2908 2724 2537 2377 2214
2950 2779 2615 2456 2303 2155
3100 2830 2580 2340 2110 1900
2960 2774 2595 2424 2259 2100
2920 2687 2466 2256 2056 1867
2985 2672 2378 2104 1849 1616
2723 2442 2178 1931 1702 1496
2900 2752 2557 2395 2239 2089
2885 2691 2506 2327 2156 1993
2950 2781 2619 2462 2311 2165
2930 2740 2550 2370 2200 2030
2830 2680 2530 2380 2240 2110
2125 2595 2376 2167 1970 1783
2805 2534 2278 2038 1813 1606
2800 2570 2350 2150 1950 1770
2789 2511 2249 2003 1774 1566

ENERGY:

Muzz 100 yd 200 yd 300 yd 400 yd 500 yd
3570 2957 2420 1970 1590 1270
3605 2900 2314 1827 1424 1095
3539 2884 2324 1871 1483 1161
3304 2804 2364 1979 1644 1355
3580 2960 2420 1970 1590 1270
3517 2970 2490 2088 1733 1426
3273 2836 2449 2107 1803 1534
3409 2916 2484 2105 1773 1484
3572 2972 2460 2022 1648 1329
3672 3052 3593 2192 1842 1538
3706 3153 2671 2250 1883 1565
3567 2888 2319 1842 1445 1126
3561 3127 2738 2390 2080 1801
3522 3033 2603 2221 1887 1592
3520 3034 2633 2250 1920 1628
3410 2905 2465 2080 1745 1450
3268 2574 2003 1537 1161 867
3410 2970 2580 2235 1925 1645
3507 2998 2543 2161 1800 1500
3608 2875 2245 1843 1412 1103
3478 3054 2673 1744 1450 1198
3641 3034 2512 2062 1677 1352
3522 2792 2391 2037 1724 1451
3641 3091 2610 2190 1823 1507
3501 3011 2578 2196 1859 1565
3768 3267 2823 2428 1978 1768
3503 2983 2528 2129 1780 1478
3768 3239 2772 2361 1999 1641
3565 3115 2712 2352 2031 1744
3500 3045 2635 2270 1950 1680
3384 2995 2644 2325 2037 1778
3840 3313 2845 2431 2068 1772
3890 3035 2340 1776 1324 972
3840 3380 2966 2594 2260 1960
3479 3088 2733 2412 2120 1857
3840 3205 2660 2348 2190 1700
3501 3075 2692 2348 2039 1762
3409 2887 2432 2035 1690 1393
3576 2863 2269 1776 1371 1047
3047 2450 1949 1532 1191 920
3547 3133 2758 2420 2115 1840
3511 3055 2648 2285 1961 1675
3672 3265 2895 2559 2254 1978
3810 3325 2885 2495 2145 1840
3500 3180 2830 2520 2230 1970
34565 2989 2506 2086 1722 1421
3495 2852 2306 1845 1460 1146
3480 2935 2460 2050 1690 1382
3110 2520 2022 1604 1259 980

TRAJECTORY:

100 yd 300 yd 400 yd 500 yd
+1.2 -6.0 -17.9 -37.1
+1.3 -6.3 -19.0 -39.8
+1.3 -6.2 -18.7 -38.9
+1.3 -6.2 -18.3 -37.4
+1.2 -6.0 -17.9 -37.1
+1.2 -6.0 -17.4 -35.6
+1.3 -6.1 -17.1 -35.7
+1.2 -5.9 -17.3 -35.3
+1.2 -5.9 -17.6 -36.3
+1.2 -5.8 -17.0 -34.5
+1.3 -6.0 -17.8 -36.3
+1.5 -7.0 -29.9 -43.6
+1.2 -5.9 -17.2 -34.6
+1.3 -6.5 -18.5 -37.3
+1.3 -6.2 -18.1 -36.6
+1.4 -6.6 -19.4 -39.5
+1.7 -8.1 -24.6 -52.3
+1.4 -6.3 -18.4 -37.1
+1.4 -6.5 -19.2 -39.0
+1.6 -7.5 -22.4 -46.7
+1.5 -6.7 -19.4 -38.9
+1.6 -6.3 -18.1 -37.1
+1.7 -7.5 -21.9 -44.3
+1.5 -7.0 -20.1 -40.9
+1.6 -7.0 -20.2 -41.0
+1.4 -6.3 -18.3 -37.1
+1.6 -7.1 -20.7 -42.1
+1.4 -6.4 -18.7 -38.0
+1.5 -6.6 -19.1 -38.5
+1.5 -6.8 -19.8 -39.8
+1.6 -6.9 -19.8 -39.4
+1.4 -6.4 -18.7 -37.5
+1.6 -7.6 -22.9 -49.0
+1.3 -6.0 -17.4 -34.9
+1.5 -6.6 -19.0 -37.9
+1.1 -5.4 -15.8 -32.3
+1.5 -6.7 -19.3 -38.7
+1.7 -7.4 -21.6 -44.1
+1.7 -7.9 -23.6 -49.7
+2.2 -9.6 -28.5 -59.5
+1.6 -6.9 -19.9 -39.8
+1.6 -7.2 -20.8 -41.9
+1.5 -6.6 -18.9 -37.7
+1.6 -6.9 -20.1 -40.4
+1.7 -7.1 -20.4 -40.5
+1.8 -8.0 -23.5 -47.9
+2.0 -8.7 -25.8 -53.5
+1.9 -8.2 -23.9 -48.8
+2.0 -8.9 -26.6 -55.4

[grizz1]

Now there is a mountain of info for us! I like the training methods mentioned, will have to use those ideas in the future,thanks Ghost.