bad0351
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Post by bad0351 on Apr 12, 2009 11:05:11 GMT -5
I was wondering if these shells "Winchester Supreme Elite Xtended Range Hi-Density Turkey Loads " would be ok to use with a Mossberg 835 Tactical Turkey gun with factory turkey choke tube without harming the tube or barrel?? Would love to try them with this combo.
Thanks, Dale
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Post by brian on Apr 13, 2009 13:15:47 GMT -5
It will not harm the barrel but it could do damage to the choke. I recommend finding a choke that is rated for heavy shot. I have used this load with a Kicks ( which is not rated for Hevi-Shot) and have seen some damage to the choke. I currently run an Indian Creek and a Primo's Jelly Head and have seen no damage or excessive wear to the choke. As for the barrel, I have been using Winchester Xtended Range Hi-Density for over 4 years now and have seen no damage or wear to the barrels that I currently have. I also put several rounds of this ammunition through a Mossberg 535 and have seen no damage that would suggest me to switch to another ammunition. I hope this helps you. If you have any other questions please feel free to get back with me or drop me a PM, I will be more than happy to help any way I can. And, If I don't know the answer I am sure I can find someone who will.
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bad0351
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Post by bad0351 on Apr 13, 2009 14:19:01 GMT -5
Thanks so much for the help with this.... I kind of thought the barrel could take the hevi shot but was a little unsure of the tube. If you don't mind I will pm you with a question...Thanks again Dale
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Post by brian on Apr 14, 2009 13:38:53 GMT -5
I feel I should clear my prior statement up a bit. Under normal circumstances Hevi-Shot or Hi-Density will not harm a properly maintained barrel that is of newer age and is properly functioning. But the use of these types of shot can and will do damage to a barrel if it is not designed ( i.e. to old), not maintained in accordance with manufacturers standards, altered outside of manufacturers guidelines, or the use of too tight of a choke. I will elaborate on the last of these items (i.e. to tight of a choke). Most 12 ga. guns have a cylinder dimension of .730 - .740 give or take a few thousandths of an inch. The gun in question (835 Mossberg) I believe, correct me if I am wrong, has a cylinder dim. of .775. Meaning that the Mossberg 835/935 are over-bored. If a shotgun is equipped with a choke that is to tight for the shot used the problems could be costly to the gun and to the shooter themselves. By that I mean, the hevi-shot or hi-density being forced through too tight of a 2nd forcing cone (choke) and weld, for a lack of a better term, the choke to the barrel, expand the barrel and the choke, or in a worse case scenario rip the barrel and the choke off at the threads. So in regards to the original poster of this thread the answer would be "No" . There would be no damage to the barrel that would occur if the correct choke is used in his gun. Most 12 ga that have a cylinder of .730 -.740 respectively I would not recommend anything tighter than .655 with the use of Hevi - Shot or Hi - Density. Now for the Mossberg 835/935 that has been over-bored to .775 I would not go any tighter than .665 at the tightest and would feel even safer if I stayed at or above .670 for any Hi - Density load.
A good case in point is a gun that was using a aftermarket choke that was not rated for the load used (Federal Black Cloud) and the choke and the barrel were ripped from the gun at the point at where the threads began. I stress that when using Hi - Density or Hevi - Shot that make sure that you are using a quality choke designed for the load intended and make sure that the barrel and the gun are in good working order. Also take into consideration the age of the gun used. If you are using an older gun (i.e. guns before the invention of Hi - Density) don't try to feed this shot through it. Remember Hi - Density or hevi - shot is denser and harder than lead so it will not give under tighter constriction like lead. So use good judgment with the choke selection and the shot you intend to use and you and your gun will be all the happier.
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Post by THE GOB-FATHER on Apr 14, 2009 14:25:32 GMT -5
Very well put Ghost and certainly filled with great information. Great job!
I'll add, that I own an 835 and is what I primarily use when turkey hunting. I've shot custom loads with heavi-shot as well as the hevi-shot shell itself through my gun. I use my factory choke which I believe is a .695 constriction if I remember correctly. To some, that may seem a bit more "open" than most chokes, but keep in mind, like Ghost said (and he was accurate in his statement) that the new 835's are back-bored to that of a 10 gauge. So the "secondary forcing cone" or choke as Ghost put it, is a decently tight constriction rate for that diamater of barrel.
Going back to my point, I've been using the heavi-shot shells for the past 4 or so years now and through the same gun. I believe the factory choke states that it's for "Lead use only". Now, I did a lot of research and asked the same question to many of other turkey hunters that were using the same current setup as I have and all reports came back positive. And I can attest to that. I've witnessed absolutely NO marring of the inside of the barrel nor have I had any problems using the factory choke for the 835 when it comes to the Hevi-Shot. It's like it was when I first bought it. And I've been sure to make careful inspection of this each and every year. Now, I'm not going to encourage going against the manufactures suggestion, especially when it comes to safety. But all I can say is that after several different combinations of choke tubes and shells, I found that the factory tube performed the BEST! You'll find that a majority of folks that own an 835 will say the same. So I stayed with what worked best which is why my gun is outfitted with the factory tube. Again, I've haven't seen ANY abnormalties to my barrel or tube since using the Hevi-Shot, but that's a choice that I make personally. I reiterate... it's best to make up your own mind regarding this type of question based on what the manufactures suggested use is. For me, it's a preference and a choice and I've been enjoying the decision to do so with a bunch of birds to show for it! ;D
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bad0351
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Post by bad0351 on Apr 14, 2009 16:46:16 GMT -5
I swear this is THE best place on the web for answers to questions like this...You guys have explained this so that even I can understand the workings of barrel and choke tubes working together. I am going to listen to the advice recieved here and stick with the factory choke (which is by the way just as you stated Gobfather .695 constriction with the overbored barrel) It has cleared up so many questions I had that I can't tell you how much I appreciate it. I don't need my shotgun to be a tack driver....just a turkey killer at reasonable distances.
Dale
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