mrjbigfoot
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Post by mrjbigfoot on Aug 22, 2005 16:06:04 GMT -5
I'd even enjoy watching them work! We can't use them where I'm at but if you can, more power to ya! I just love dogs & love to watch them work! It's also big fun to get to pet them & treat them at the end of a good hunt, retrieve, whatever!
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Post by Win Mag on Aug 22, 2005 16:09:12 GMT -5
You guys have my utmost respect for handling yourselves in such a mature manner.You prove that we can have a difference of opinon and yet still agree and maintain level heads.You guys rock !!
T-Rack maybe i should but i don't.I see hogs no more than varmints,not a game animal,more like table fair than anything. Deer on the other hand i myself couldn't sit over a bait pile just to shoot one,i am not knocking anyone or implying that it's wrong,it's just my personal ethics on hunting deer.
Bear on the other hand,(and i have yet to hunt bear). See it differently.Why you may ask.Good question,and honestly i don't know if i have a good answer.Except that bear hunting in the northern midwest states is not open ground.Or large tracks of priv land like out west.Where one can spot and stalk all day.Also northern parts here do not have the numbers of animals either.I would hunt bear over a baited site when i wouldn't hunt deer over bait. So i couldn't hold it true to Bear and Hogs as i would to Deer.
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Post by timhicks on Aug 22, 2005 20:18:11 GMT -5
Ok here it is plain and simple.. We all obey the laws of the land , Guys, a hog plain and simple is the lowest, smartest and plain most stubborn things we have in the natural willife today.. They were not put here in the states by God but by man. Guys I would if the law permitted me doing it load a trailer load and dump them out in your county and see what they can do I am going to get a few pics tommorow, and show you. First off a sounder of hogs will clean an oak tree out, eat browse young roots and pretty,much everything you plant sow or seed. I know baiting is a mixed subject but again it all depends on where you live and whats in the enviroment. I know ranchers that shoot every hog they see and let them lie and rot. It irks me because I look at as a penny. An oppurtunity to get a hog for some is a rush, trophy, another so called game animal.. Not in Texas they are considered non game, and they are getting worse, Soon guys they will get to you and your kids will have a hard time deer hunting because the eat all the deers natural food and the deer will starve. Suplementing is the onlyway to go. Here!! I dont get mne wrong love to shoot hogs,, its a blast but I would much rather shoot a deer that I worked and planned and studied than an ole hog. A shot hog means a little meat a live hog making babies means more hogs to catch and trap, I know where Texasrack is coming from and I know where Brent is. I just question Texasracks comment on a big hog and smoking all that man we got to talk about that one,, abother day..I have never had a bad hog if cleaned ,killed ,and gutted right tatse bad , I will have to explain that later.. Love yall Tim
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mrjbigfoot
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Post by mrjbigfoot on Aug 22, 2005 20:44:31 GMT -5
Hey Tim your making me want to come down to Texas & help ya kill some hogs! I aint got no problem with baiting them & killing them however you want to and... I really like that other white meat!
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Post by Country2dBone on Aug 22, 2005 20:51:55 GMT -5
MAN BIG FEEDER BIG DEER THATS FUNNY.I DON'T CARE WHO YOU ARE. FELLAS I'VE SEEN FIRST HAND MYSELF ON OUR OLD LEASE IN SOUTH ARKANSAS THE ABSOLUTE DESTRUCTION OF THE DEER FOOD SOURCES. ( THERE IS NOT MUCH FOR THEM TO EAT DOWN THERE NATURALLY ANYWAYS.) BOUT ALL THEY HAVE IS THE BROWSE IT'S MOSTLY ALL PINE. HOGS MOVE IN THEY WILL EAT, TRAMPLE , AND ROOT UP EVERYTHING BUT THE PINE CONES. LEAVES THE DEER WITH JUST ABOUT NO OTHER CHOICE BUT TO LEAVE THE AREA TO GO FIND OTHER FOOD.
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Post by loserchumpandfool on Aug 22, 2005 21:08:19 GMT -5
if baiting is legal in your state and that is how ya want to hunt them that is okeydokey with me.i'm not worried about the so-called ethical part of it.ethics is a broad term and means different things to different people.here in indy baiting is illlegal so i dont bait.i do however hunt over food plots.i went on a deer hunt in the U.P. in michigan about 10 years ago.every store,gas station etc.etc. sold bait.i chose not to buy any myself.but in a parting shot i think it should be banned not for the "fair chase ethics" part of it but baiting is proven to spread disease and we are in CWD times now.as far as hogs go some show up in indy on occasion but are mostly killed quickly.they are destructive animals as tim said and can and will effect the health and wellbeing of natural animals such as deer and turkeys,quail,pheasent etc etc.
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Post by rjet on Aug 22, 2005 21:33:31 GMT -5
The hogs seem to move in and out of the area I hunt in east texas. This is what they can do to a field in a short amount of time. They had around 2 acres torn up like this last winter in a matter of weeks.
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Post by texasrack on Aug 22, 2005 22:31:46 GMT -5
Well like I have said..I do not consider hogs a part of this debate..I will kill a hog in any way that I can, INCLUDING bait piles if I can..hate em!
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Post by Win Mag on Aug 22, 2005 22:57:28 GMT -5
When i come down TR plan on putin me on some hogs bow and guns.I'll bring plenty of coolers to take what i shoot,That should make some good hunting footage for the club hey!!
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Post by Phishy on Aug 23, 2005 10:25:38 GMT -5
That statement is my weakest link in my stance against baiting. There's no grey shade, i have learned that not everything is black and white in this world, it comes down to this, is baiting considered hunting?, yes, is it efficient?, yes, is it fair chase?? there's a reason baiting is illegal for waterfowl, too efficient, there is a reason baiting is legal for bear, more efficient,
I will agree baiting is efficient for deer, is it too efficient? no, there's too many deer (in WI) but is baiting for deer part of the cause for too many deer, that and feeding year round, i believe yes. Is the spread of disease probably more likely with high concentrations of deer at a bait pile??
To counteract the possibilities of spreading diseases, the DNR has placed a limit on how many, where and how long one can bait, ie if the county you live in has CWD either in the wild herd or captivity, then baiting is illegal in that county. One can only put out five (maybe less, i'd have to look it up) of bait in a forty acre area, an attempt to spread the bait plies out, is this enforceable? i don't think so.
Does having bait piles scattered all over the country side on everybody's little fragmented piece of land in attempts to draw deer off their neighbors property have an effect on deer movements??, what if you hunt on public land and the adjoining landowners have a truck load of corn out? where do the deer go?
Baiting here in WI has spun out of control, it became a competition with the neighbors to draw deer away from the neighbors. I heard the statement, more than once "If I don't bait, i don't see any deer cause Joe down the road has a constant supply of corn, so i have to." In my mind there's something wrong with that, its started to become a greed thing, and the greediest ones bait in huge quantities and make alot of noise when told they can't do something.
so back, is baiting hunting, yes, do i hunt over bait, no do i want to see baiting outlawed, yes, all over the U.S., no.
I don't live where you (speaking to everyone) live and can't experience the things you experience, so who am i to tell anyone how to live and choose their life, but when your decision affects my hunting and the future of my hunting i will take a stand. In WI baiting should go.
Then there's all sorts of other issues for allowing baiting deer, some of which i do agree, but like i said it has spun out of control and if sanctions are made for one person to bait, then its dicrimination against another person. Oh how it gets so complicated???
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Post by Phishy on Aug 23, 2005 10:27:41 GMT -5
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Post by tuffbroadhead on Aug 23, 2005 11:24:25 GMT -5
I think two things in this world are just plain horrible, hogs and more hogs.... I personally think a cockroach's closet kin would be a hog!!LOL!!
For the longest time hunting I wished I would have a few hogs show up someday, Oh how I regreted the day that wish came true, I have had a stong dislike for them ever since...
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Post by texasrack on Aug 23, 2005 16:58:52 GMT -5
Great post Phishy!!!
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Post by timhicks on Aug 23, 2005 17:33:36 GMT -5
Phishy ,, By all means hats off to you for what you have done for your area and state..I wasn't or never intended to sound like I was being arrogant, all knowing or a smartazz. I can sometimes post and rethink or rewrite it better, I dont want to hunt a trophy deer off of a feeder , I have fed deer that would make your heart sing and make a pecker hard for years.. Not for me. I agree with what you are saying for your area and dont have a problem with it.. For us here it doesnt work.. Great to be a part of this team.. Tim again sorry if I sound like a dikk and yes I can spell it but is it worth it.
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Post by texasrack on Aug 23, 2005 20:17:48 GMT -5
Tim you did not sound that way at all my brother. As you stated and Phishy has stated..first of all as long as nobody is doing something illegal who is to call it wrong. Secondly as mentioned as well, in different states different things are necessary and for different reasons.
The best thing about this entire debate?
The respect, admiration of the fellow hunters viewpoints and the common ground, even with different ideals or opinion, we all still share.
THAT my friends and fellows (and any ladies) is a board that is successful.
Generally you will see me stray away from controversial topics such as this. It's like getting into a what religion you are or your choice of President...nobody wins.
However I actually posted to this thread, more as an Admin, to test the waters and see what would happen. I even told Gob I was going to before hand...and I can say that I am completely and 100% impressed with each and every person that responded.
THANKS TO ALL for their viewpoints, opinions and for making this a fun and friendly debate.
What's next? HA!HA!
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